The biggest revelations from her ‘Call Her Daddy’ interview

Rachael Kirkconnell is able to inform her aspect of the story.

Practically two weeks after her boyfriend, former Bachelor Matt James, immediately introduced on Instagram that he and Kirkconnell, who acquired his remaining rose in March 2021, had damaged up after 4 years, the Season 25 winner sat down with podcaster Alex Cooper on the Jan. 28 episode of Name Her Daddy to set the document straight.

Information of James and Kirkconnell’s break up despatched shock waves by means of the Bachelor Nation fandom, with many even speculating that James had been hacked or that the breakup was a hoax.

Following their temporary breakup in 2021, James and Kirkconnell had been seemingly stable. Of their 4 years of relationship, they’ve made near-constant appearances on one another’s Instagrams. So far as followers following the pair on social media had been involved, nothing indicated that there was hassle in paradise.

“I needed to do that for me,” Kirkconnell mentioned of her determination to go on Name Her Daddy. “I simply actually needed to do it simply to assist myself transfer on and get some closure. I simply really feel like after 4 years and in spite of everything this craziness, one thing simply wanted to be mentioned.”

Kirkconnell’s interview was rife with shocking and heartbreaking revelations. Listed here are the standout moments.

James and Kirkconnell talked about choosing out an engagement ring

Kirkconnell mentioned that it was throughout their third 12 months of relationship when she started asking James about the way forward for their relationship. She instructed Cooper she didn’t want particulars on when a proposal was occurring, however she needed to make sure that she and James had been on the identical web page. On the time, James made her really feel as in the event that they had been.

“We talked about rings. He instructed me just a few months in the past to start out saving some issues, choosing issues out or that we should always go take a look at some. That was a giant deal, I’d say, for him to say,” Kirkconnell mentioned.

As their relationship continued, Kirkconnell felt like James was turning into extra open to discussions about their future.

“I feel, at first, I may inform [marriage] was one thing that did scare him lots or it was a very exhausting factor for him to speak about, and it simply appeared simpler and simpler [to talk about] as our relationship went on, so I felt like that was signal,” she mentioned. “I feel when he began speaking about children and choosing out a hoop and marriage ceremony meals and the place we would like the marriage … I used these issues to simply maintain on.”

The breakup stemmed from an argument that opened ‘a can of worms’

Kirkconnell and James had been touring collectively within the weeks main as much as their breakup. She’d met up with him in London, and the pair flew to Tokyo, the place their breakup finally occurred.

Understanding that James’s livelihood is tied to producing food-related content material on social media, the evening earlier than their breakup, Kirkconnell mentioned she felt pressured to choose restaurant for dinner as a result of while you’re touring “each meal counts.” The meal ended up being a disappointment, and Kirkconnell responded emotionally as a result of she felt like she’d let James down. James was involved about her “getting so upset.”

Whereas on the way in which to get meals the subsequent morning, Kirkconnell mentioned James “sort of snapped” at her when she was making an attempt to point out him movies on her telephone. She stood up for herself, telling James, “Even when I’m annoying you, don’t deal with me like that.” They later acquired into an argument that opened “a can of worms,” and finally led to them breaking apart.

“[James] mentioned that on the finish of the day, there have been simply qualities about me that he worries about having in a spouse,” she mentioned. “It was a type of issues the place I feel he simply had this realization that, I ought to wish to suggest to you by this time … and I ought to be prepared for that, however I’m not nonetheless.”

Kirkconnell had requested James if he felt like his “excellent particular person” was nonetheless on the market.

“‘Do you wish to make this work? Do you suppose that it’s me or is it one thing with you? Are you scared? … Is your excellent particular person someplace on the market? Is it not me?’” she recalled asking him. “He got here to the conclusion that he didn’t suppose it was me, and he mentioned he didn’t need me to finish up resenting him by losing extra of my time if it wouldn’t occur.”

James shared the information of their breakup on Instagram simply hours after it occurred

When Kirkconnell discovered of James’s bombshell Instagram submit revealing they’d damaged up, she had simply boarded her flight again to Atlanta. She discovered about it after one among her finest buddies texted her.

“I’m freaking out as a result of [I] simply acquired damaged up with and now just a few hours later, it’s for the entire world to see,” she mentioned. “I’m nonetheless making an attempt to course of it. I’m nonetheless in whole shock. Then figuring out the entire world is seeing this. I’m like, ‘That is so loopy, I can’t even wrap my thoughts round this proper now.’”

She mentioned the submit went up two to 3 hours after they referred to as off their relationship.

Kirkconnell instructed Cooper she thought James’s caption for the breakup submit was “attention-grabbing … as a result of it nearly appeared like saying it like a prayer was the better strategy to say it than to say one thing actual. Not {that a} prayer’s not actual, however simply one thing that was genuine to our precise relationship.”

“However it’s very him,” Kirkconnell mentioned. “I suppose it didn’t shock me that he mentioned it like that. I suppose I’m simply stunned that he mentioned it in any respect.”

Kirkconnell doesn’t suppose they’ll ever get again collectively

James referred to as Kirkconnell 5 days after their breakup. Throughout their dialog, which lasted over an hour, James apologized for asserting their break up on Instagram. Whereas Kirkconnell hopes she and James can keep buddies, she doesn’t see herself ever getting again along with him.

“I don’t suppose I can,” she mentioned. “I feel when somebody says these issues he mentioned, ‘I don’t suppose you’re my particular person. I don’t see us getting married,’ I feel that’s when you need to name it quits. And simply the way in which he dealt with all of this and his submit and all the things. I forgive him, however … I felt like he disrespected me on the finish of the day doing that. It’s simply a type of issues the place you need to arise for your self even should you don’t wish to.”